The fluted float and others

The place you will find all those traditional terminal tackle items.
User avatar
Nobby
Wild Carp
Posts: 9841
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:40 pm
Location: S.W.Surrey
Contact:

The fluted float and others

Post by Nobby » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:53 am

I've understood for some years now that Major Albert Smalley invented the fluted float in the early Sixties and that he is also credited as being the inventor of floats made from elder pith..the foamy soft wood in the centre of some young branches.


It turns out neither is true; Two Yorkshiremen patented the fluted float in 1947:

Image

And elder pith is specifically mentioned in this patent application from 1928:

Image


It may well be that Maj. Smalley never made these claims about himself, of course and it might be that it was he alone who thought of adding to the flutes of the original design to create the huge-vaned floats of the sixties that Belglow, for example offered.

Belglow themselves have been particularly hard to track down. A chance find of a packet of float rubbers gave an address of Beltack Works, Middleton Road, Sudbury in Sufflok....I wondered if the name might imply Bell Tackle at the time....but tracking down the factory was hard.

In the end I concluded the only building in Middleton Road from the right period was this...a scrap metal dealers until recently:

Image

I suppose they tested their floats ... some of them weird and wonderful....in a barrel, but it's tempting to think they might have tried the fluted floats in the river behind the factory........there seems to be a tributary of The stour there, as well as a cut leading straight from the factory to the main river...... :Chuckle:


Image
Last edited by Nobby on Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Firebird
Arctic Char
Posts: 1821
Joined: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:02 pm

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Firebird » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:25 am

Interesting bit of history. I'm surprised it was granted a patent though. Wonder if he made anything from it.

User avatar
Michael
Eel
Posts: 2430
Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:45 pm
Location: Berkshire

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Michael » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:24 am

I knew that Frank Oates had a patent for a vaned float;
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publica ... cale=en_EP#
And I`ve always presumed it was the same Frank Oates, who was involved in the book Match Fishing How to Join the Ranks of the Experts and Uncle to the artic explorer....
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8878062 ... ates_dies/
Last edited by Michael on Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:59 am, edited 1 time in total.
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth
Marcus Aurelius

User avatar
Duebel
Arctic Char
Posts: 1827
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:49 pm

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Duebel » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:45 am

Very interesting, Nobby! Thanks for sharing.

I'm still to be convinced of the advantages a fluted float has to offer. My attempts usually twisted the line as hell ...
Greetings from Bamberg
Martin

User avatar
Michael
Eel
Posts: 2430
Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:45 pm
Location: Berkshire

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Michael » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:03 pm

I`ve just re read my previous posting and I should clarify, "I knew", was actually from reading a posting Nobby did last year, it looked like I was being a big headed know it all... :Hide:
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth
Marcus Aurelius

User avatar
Match Aerial
Arctic Char
Posts: 1513
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:16 pm

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Match Aerial » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:20 pm

Excellent bit of research Nobby good find mate.

JAA

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by JAA » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:22 pm

Nice post Nobby. :Hat:

User avatar
Watermole+
Grayling
Posts: 566
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:07 pm

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Watermole+ » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:01 pm

Whilst not wishing to appear as a nit-picker Nobby, the drawing doesn't show fluted floats, but vaned floats as per Frank Oates patent.

There is a big difference in that vaned floats have normal oval, or tapered bodies, which have vanes set in to slots cut along the length, as this drawing clearly shows in the end elevation at the top of the picture.

The fluted float in the strict sense of the word, has a 'normal' oval or tapered body, which has the fluting cut in to it, usually in four places. In this case, the body of the float is virtually parallel all the way down, to all intents & purposes, rather like the "web", or core of a twist drill and it is the flutes, NOT the body which are oval or tapered.

The difference between the two is that the vaned float has more body mass and must therefore be the more buoyant, size for size, whilst the true, fluted float would have far less water resistance and drag..

..just my two denarii worth..

wm+

....But lay up for yourselves treasure in Heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through and steal.
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also
..Jesus of Nazareth, King James AV

User avatar
Fredline
Grayling
Posts: 518
Joined: Sat May 16, 2015 1:10 pm
Location: East End of the City

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Fredline » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:12 pm

Great stuff Nobby. Just when you think you know it all, something pops out of the woodwork.
If you have no grease with you, and your rings are full of ice, do not cut out the ice with a pen-knife but get your man to put the rings one by one in his mouth, and so to thaw the ice.
John Bickerdyke.

User avatar
Nobby
Wild Carp
Posts: 9841
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:40 pm
Location: S.W.Surrey
Contact:

Re: The fluted float and others

Post by Nobby » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:23 pm

Michael wrote:I knew that Frank Oates had a patent for a vaned float;
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publica ... cale=en_EP#
And I`ve always presumed it was the same Frank Oates, who was involved in the book Match Fishing How to Join the Ranks of the Experts and Uncle to the artic explorer....
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8878062 ... ates_dies/
Yes that's the same patent as my drawings Michael, applied for in 1947 and granted in 1949. I think you just may be right...at least both Franks are from York.

Post Reply

Return to “Traditional Terminal Tackle”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests