An Allcock, but which one?

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Wagtail
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An Allcock, but which one?

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Amongst a bunch of rods purchased yesterday was this Allcocks rod, the name and stag logo are clearly engraved/stamped on the butt, though there is nothing in the way of a label or writing on the cane itself.

It is quite a powerful rod (more like a Mk IV carp rod than a roach rod) 10 1/2ft in 3 sections. All rings are lined with a brick-red coloured agate, whippings are medium green that now looks different due to age. Not sure if the reel bands are original, as one was obviously designed to be fixed lower down the handle (there is one shive of wood amongst the cork, that still has the pins in). But the corresponding reel band has holes that are too small for those pins to have passed through, hence my doubts. It came in an unlabelled bag, inside which is written 10 1/2ft 6/9 (6 shillings and 9d???)

I intend to restore it eventually, as it feels like it might make a good barbel rod. So Gents, any thoughts on its identity please? :Hat:

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Re: An Allcock, but which one?

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I’ve no idea but it certainly looks like a good all rounder for larger fish, I reckon when it’s done up it will look a treat particularly with those agate rings, and brass ? fittings and the big red button, sleeper rod for those Carp at Stockton !

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Re: An Allcock, but which one?

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"Eclipse"?
Lucky ol' you if it is! The tip on mine is frighteningly thin, but the power lower down... wow!
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Re: An Allcock, but which one?

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A quick update on research, I measured the rod and it is actually 10ft long, not 10ft 6in, so the bag isn't correct :doh:

RR, oh yes, it will definitely make a "sleeper" :Wink:

Vole, thank you for your suggestion :Hat: Having checked the description of the "Eclipse" in my 1959 catalogue it unfortunately does not correspond to this rod, also the tip can in no way be described as being "frighteningly thin".

However, on the same page in the catalogue is the "Hercules" which looks like it might be a contender.....

"The 10ft "Hercules", designed originally for salmon spinning has been used with great success by specialist carp-fishers.
3 joint, built cane, solid 32" cork handle, reinforced serrated suction ferrules, agate rings throughout, moveable screw winch fitting of exceptionally efficient design , rubber button, partitioned bag.

Will handle 12lb. B.S. lines and cast up to 3 ozs.

Weight approx. 16ozs.(complete with winch fitting)."


There are a couple of discrepancies with "my" rod. The handle length and the more modern winch fitting. My handle is nowhere near 32", yet the handle on the rod illustrated in the catalogue does not appear to be that long either; in fact it looks more in proportion to mine. So I wonder if 32" was a misprint? As for the winch fittings, my next job is to try to find out when the Hercules was first made, and if it had brass fittings at that time. Will update this post if any results are forthcoming :holmes:
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