Edward Barder barbus maximus
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Re: Edward Barder barbus maximus
And there you have it Nobby, time or money the choice is yours.
I must admit mate those on your latest superb creation are real class ferrules.
Wal.
I must admit mate those on your latest superb creation are real class ferrules.
Wal.
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Re: Edward Barder barbus maximus
why don't cane rod builders use impregnated cane more,
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Well, as I understand it, the process was invented and patented by the owner of Sharpes of Aberdeen, sorry..I forget his name.
That company cased making rods and the Sharpes name was sold to a company in South Ruislip, Middlesex, though they are now in nearby Uxbridge and the company is up for sale again.
As well as Sharpes, in both forms, Chapmans of ware offer impregnated cane...perhaps they purchased a licence to do so?
I don't know the legal standing now...the patent might well have lapsed if other wanted to use the process.
As I understand it, Edward Barder...whom this thread is about...doesn't like it and won't consider it. I'm sure he has his reasons.
Interesting to consider, after Malcolm posted about cane swelling in humid weather...does impregnated cane do so too?
That company cased making rods and the Sharpes name was sold to a company in South Ruislip, Middlesex, though they are now in nearby Uxbridge and the company is up for sale again.
As well as Sharpes, in both forms, Chapmans of ware offer impregnated cane...perhaps they purchased a licence to do so?
I don't know the legal standing now...the patent might well have lapsed if other wanted to use the process.
As I understand it, Edward Barder...whom this thread is about...doesn't like it and won't consider it. I'm sure he has his reasons.
Interesting to consider, after Malcolm posted about cane swelling in humid weather...does impregnated cane do so too?
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I have discussed impregnated cane with Edward in the past and I don't recall exactly why he doesn't like it but I think it has to do with extra weight and affecting the action.
I will be seeing him soon and if I remember I ask him again.
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Nobby, I'm pretty sure that the process or formula that Sharpes used was originally patented by Orvis and licenced to Sharpes but other makers produced impregnated rods presumably using their own formulas.Nobby wrote:Well, as I understand it, the process was invented and patented by the owner of Sharpes of Aberdeen, sorry..I forget his name.
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I read somewhere that impregnating cane gives it a dead feeling as well as increasing its weight and I have felt this dead or dull feeling in a Sharpes carp rod which I just couldn't get on with yet I now own a 10ft-9in 2 piece barbel rod originally built by Julian Caudle using Chapmans impregnated cane and it is a lovely springy rod, not dead at all so who knows, it may not be the impregnation process at all maybe just a dull feeling rod, you do get them.
Its interesting to note that resin impregnated timber has become a more popular thing recently. It is used mainly for standard timber replacement as in door and window frames in conservation areas where uPVC products are not allowed and kiln dried timber products have been shown to have such a short lifespan.
It may become popular again in cane rods as new resins and pressure delivery systems are discovered though I personally think the traditional varnish finish is much nicer.
Wal.
Its interesting to note that resin impregnated timber has become a more popular thing recently. It is used mainly for standard timber replacement as in door and window frames in conservation areas where uPVC products are not allowed and kiln dried timber products have been shown to have such a short lifespan.
It may become popular again in cane rods as new resins and pressure delivery systems are discovered though I personally think the traditional varnish finish is much nicer.
Wal.
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Hi Wal, I think the extra weight is negligible, and I wouldn't say that impregnated cane deadens
the feel, my Partridge of Redditch impregnated 11ft carp rod is just sublime and put a bend in it,
it comes back dead straight every time, noticed not so with normal cane which normally needs a waggle or two. My rod also has that springiness you mention, lovely feeling.
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the feel, my Partridge of Redditch impregnated 11ft carp rod is just sublime and put a bend in it,
it comes back dead straight every time, noticed not so with normal cane which normally needs a waggle or two. My rod also has that springiness you mention, lovely feeling.
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Macko wrote:Hi Wal, I think the extra weight is negligible, and I wouldn't say that impregnated cane deadens
the feel, my Partridge of Redditch impregnated 11ft carp rod is just sublime and put a bend in it,
it comes back dead straight every time, noticed not so with normal cane which normally needs a waggle or two. My rod also has that springiness you mention, lovely feeling.
ATB Macko
Yes, I am sure you are right Macko, the extra weight of the resin can't be that much more than a few good coats of varnish.
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Chris Ball's carp rod is impregnated cane...
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Yes, it was made by Sharpes, Ruislip.