Is this a Dorset ?

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Is this a Dorset ?

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Is this a Dorset or a different model Williams ?

Rod Details:
10ft 8in.
3 piece split cane.
24in handle.

Restored at some time , has no Makers markings on the cane but has F T Williams stamped on the butt cap.

Full through action.

Looks very much like a Dorset apart from the 24in handle

Anyone have any idea ?


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I'm not sure it is. My Dorset was a fairly late model and it had a 19 inch handle and was exactly 10ft 6in long when stripped down for rebuilding. This included the button so it was around 10ft 7in including the tip ring. Here are some pics of mine:

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I've got the blank a/f measurements f you want to compare.

FT Williams did a rod called The Sire but I've got no details on it.
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The 'Dorsets' I've had have had a more 'trumpet' handle, Sir ... but they could have changed over the years.
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SeanM. It would be good if you could send me the measurements for the Dorset . :Thumb:

The one above is 10ft 8in including the rubber button.

Iv seen pictures of the Sire on another website but it had no rod details, but this looked to have a short handle and more ring,s fitted . 2 on the butt , 4 on the mid and 6 on the tip.

Mal. i Have pictures of an early Dorset with the same shape handle as the one above.
This is the 10ft 6in model with the writing in Indian Ink and no transfers. :Hat:

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It,s also possible that during the refurb the handle was extended along the cane to give better balance.


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The winding check looks different to one that SeanM posted about in 'Related Topics '. I have a Dorset but it's still at work waiting for me to restore. So I will have a look on Monday.
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I did wonder if the handle might have been extended on yours Lee. Here are the a/f measurements of mine:

Butt from just above handle
0in 13.7mm
6in 13.4mm
12in 13.2mm
18in 12.8mm

Joint from tip of male ferrule
6in 10.5mm
12in 10.1mm
18in 9.7mm
24in 9..1mm
30in 8.6mm
36in 8.2mm

Tip from tip of male ferrule
6in 6.2mm
12in 5.6mm
18in 5.2mm
24in 4.8mm
30in 4.4mm
36in 3.9mm
At tip 3.6mm

I sold mine a few months ago as I have a no-name rod with identical tapers so it was surplus to requirements.
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Thank,s for the measurements SeanM :Hat:

It look,s like the rod i have above is a lot lighter than Dorset

Here,s the measurements, ---- your,s on the left mine on the right..

Butt from just above 19in handle
0in 13.7mm--------- Handle
6in 13.4mm--------- 12.95mm
12in 13.2mm------- 11.84mm
18in 12.8mm------- 11.00mm

Joint from tip of male ferrule
6in 10.5mm-------- 8.44mm
12in 10.1mm------ 8.20mm
18in 9.7mm------- 7.70mm
24in 9..1mm------ 7.20mm
30in 8.6mm------- 6.76mm
36in 8.2mm------- 6.60mm

Tip from tip of male ferrule
6in 6.2mm------- 5.46mm
12in 5.6mm----- 4.90mm
18in 5.2mm----- 4.68mm
24in 4.8mm----- 4.20mm
30in 4.4mm----- 3.83mm
36in 3.9mm----- 3.22mm
At tip 3.6mm--- 3.00mm

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