Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Duckett » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:25 pm

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One thing that has always bugged me about the Rapidex is why on earth they moved from a round hole in the centre of the brass counterweight to a square one. Seems counterintuitive to my poor brain.
Hi Simon, I think it's just the shape of the spike that the weight was placed on while the rivet head was set. Probably a press similar to a drill press.


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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Nobby » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:54 pm

I'm starting to wonder if JW Young did a Grice and Young and just used whatever was handy in the parts bins....?

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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Keston » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:53 pm

I'm sure you are right Nobby and its parts bin thing , I'm having fun looking at a possible timeline though so will keep looking until I know better .

"Immediately after the war the Ambidex reel was developed and proved to be an enormous success. Other models produced alongside were the Gildex, Rapidex, Trudex, Windex, Seldex and Landex."

The above quite is from the J.W.Young site ( I think it ok to post here under fair use ? ) I'm not entirely sure this means the Rapidex was itself produced immediately after the war ? Much of the information around the internet puts post war Rapidex production in 1946 and we have actually seen a reel dated 1947 .
For the study we look at "pre Ltd " reels , the ones that do not have Ltd on the badge. We know J.W.Youngs became Ltd in late 1947 but there is no understanding of when it appeared on badges .

The core study group is 15 "pre Ltd" reels and the wider study group is 33 at the moment and rising . That said 10 of the wider study group do not have verifiable spindle types. The group includes 5 round handle Centrepins.

The earliest reel In my opinion so far has round handles. A lightly chamfered spindle, the ratchet washer or clip is above the dog and it carries a big head on the spring retaining screw.
From there Changes in order ( so far )

Flatter sided spindle head

Ratchet washer moves below dog

Handles become shaped

Head on the spring screw shrinks

Pawl arm now has a "bobble" around the rivet .

Spindle head changes to a more chamfered design

Reinforcing appears inside the spool.

Smaller foot

New spindle head design ( 50% chamfer unconfirmed at this time )

New spindle head designs to the modern pointy type
with the change to the New centre boss .

Ratchet washer returns above Dog

Balance hole no longer look round.

Head on the spring screw big again ( unconfirmed timeline .

Just observations chaps , I'm happy to be shot down and will do so myself if things change as the pool of reels growns.

I'm going to add the core sample group.
7 early Rapidex including 3 round handle.
3 later but still pre Ltd rapidex
3 early Allcocks Flick- em perfection
2 early Milwards Floatcraft .
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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Crucian » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:45 pm

What a lovely collection.
I like the early young's reels, nice reels to use, and cheaper than Aerials, although I have a liking for those too, when I can afford it, which isn't often.

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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Duckett » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:28 pm

Thanks for the picture tip Nobby. I never realised that. Will give it a go next time I want to quote a comment with images.

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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Keston » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:57 pm

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What a lovely collection.
I like the early young's reels, nice reels to use, and cheaper than Aerials, although I have a liking for those too, when I can afford it, which isn't often.
Thanks Crucian .
I too would love an Aerial collection . I have one battered older Aerial and it sits on the table waiting for me to pay it some attention .

I habe a strange affinity to the early post war Youngs reels . Most in the image are good but you might spot a huge aftermarket/makeshift foot on one. A reel intended originally for spares .

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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Keston » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:54 pm

Another round handle Rapidex has surfaced.
Does anyone know of other J.W.Youngs built reels that might be sporting the same handles?
Allcocks maybe ? Pre or early post WW2 ?

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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Duckett » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:31 pm

Keston wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:54 pm
Another round handle Rapidex has surfaced.
Does anyone know of other J.W.Youngs built reels that might be sporting the same handles?
Allcocks maybe ? Pre or early post WW2 ?
Not seen one like that before but wish I had. No matter how much I love my Rapidex and Trudex, I do not like the waisted handles. I wonder if I am alone in that?
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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Keston » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:52 pm

Duckett wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:31 pm
Keston wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:54 pm
Another round handle Rapidex has surfaced.
Does anyone know of other J.W.Youngs built reels that might be sporting the same handles?
Allcocks maybe ? Pre or early post WW2 ?
Not seen one like that before but wish I had. No matter how much I love my Rapidex and Trudex, I do not like the waisted handles. I wonder if I am alone in that?
I have 4 rounded handle Rapidex now ., they are about and there are some Allcocks Flick ems on the forum with these handles.
There is one on a dealers website that looks like round handles but it's not cheap and oddly has the later high boss and pointy spindle.

I think the early reels look much nicer with the round handles.

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Re: Early post ww2 Rapidex , Floatcraft & Flick- em study

Post by Duckett » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:45 pm

Keston wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:52 pm
Duckett wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:31 pm
Keston wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:54 pm
Another round handle Rapidex has surfaced.
Does anyone know of other J.W.Youngs built reels that might be sporting the same handles?
Allcocks maybe ? Pre or early post WW2 ?
Not seen one like that before but wish I had. No matter how much I love my Rapidex and Trudex, I do not like the waisted handles. I wonder if I am alone in that?
I have 4 rounded handle Rapidex now ., they are about and there are some Allcocks Flick ems on the forum with these handles.
There is one on a dealers website that looks like round handles but it's not cheap and oddly has the later high boss and pointy spindle.

I think the early reels look much nicer with the round handles.
I see what you mean. That one is a bit of a mixed bag. If it is as original, it eaither adds to Nobby’s suggestion of them doing a “Grice and Young” (though my impression is that this was a later development as I’ve not seen it in early G&R pins) or help your dating exercise.
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