Minnow for trout

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Minnow for trout

Post by BreadFlake » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:44 pm

"Midlands, Yorkshire, and the north-east and north-west of England
You can only use natural or artificial fly, minnow, worm, shrimp, prawn, sand eel or artificial lures during close season."


I'm planning on worming during the close season as I'd like to catch my first ever trout, but while reading the local bylaws I spotted Minnow. Has anybody used Minnows to great effect for Trout? If so, what setup would you use (including tackle)?

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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by Santiago » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:56 pm

Begs the question as to the legality of catching one's minnows. I expect that one can use a trap, otherwise one is blaitentlty coarse fishing if done during the coarse closed season.

Regardless, I would use a bubble float or similar and trot therm!
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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by Pallenpool » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:57 pm

The main problem for me in using Minnow is the distinct likelihood of catching coarse fish. This would be whether live or lure. I can only imagine you will not be fishing a Trout Stream or River as certainly where I am one can only use the fly in the season - which makes a compelling case for not targeting Trout on a general coarse biased river in the closed season you will be bound to catch coarse species.
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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by Shaun Harrison » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:08 pm

Do you really need to sacrifice a live fish to catch a trout? Trout are one of the least fussy species going when it comes to bait. They can be a massive nuisance when targeting other species so why not just stick with the other options and cut down the out of season perch and chub you will catch?
Better still, go after them with fur and feather, at least you won't deep hook so many. with them being a tad silly on bait methods, they do tend to gorge baits quickly.

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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by BreadFlake » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:13 pm

I should have clarified that this is purely hypothetical, I won't be targeting them with Minnow - I'll be using worms. It's just something that popped out to me while refreshing my knowledge on my local bylaws. I'd just never heard of them being used for Trout, and was keen to hear other's experiences while using them.

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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by Pallenpool » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:30 pm

The same will also apply to worms - using a worm still opens one up for catching Perch & Chub in the main. As Shaun has pointed out Trout are an aggressive and not particularly fussy feeder - they take mostly any standard bait - the biggest issue with worms etc. is that you will invariably be faced with a deep hooked Trout when using them - which take it from me is not an enjoyable experience at all. If you want to fish in the closed season and catch yourself a Trout the best way is as Shaun mentions try a bit of fur and feather. You never know you may enjoy it thoroughly.

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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by BreadFlake » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:38 pm

Pallenpool wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:30 pm
The same will also apply to worms - using a worm still opens one up for catching Perch & Chub in the main. As Shaun has pointed out Trout are an aggressive and not particularly fussy feeder - they take mostly any standard bait - the biggest issue with worms etc. is that you will invariably be faced with a deep hooked Trout when using them - which take it from me is not an enjoyable experience at all. If you want to fish in the closed season and catch yourself a Trout the best way is as Shaun mentions try a bit of fur and feather. You never know you may enjoy it thoroughly.
I'll be fishing the upper stretches of my local where Coarse fish are very sparse, if they're there at all. The deep hooking is quite an issue though, would larger worms prevent this? Also, maybe the use of prawns would be better?

I have always fancied having a go at fly fishing, but I have no gear, and no idea. Also, the river I'll be on is a borderline stream in some parts so casting a fly could be quite problematic.

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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by Penninelad » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:58 pm

Where I fish, on the western loughs of Ireland, they use "brickeens"(minnows) as gorge baits to troll behind a boat for trout. Not a method that appeals to me as the trout invariably is killed(and that includes some monsters). I find it odd that Irish trout fisherman lobbied the Government to bring in Regulations so that four pike a day could be taken from many of the larger western loughs,to preserve salmonoids when they use this method. The Regulations have just been declared unlawful by a High Court Judge sitting in Dublin on the application of the Pike Anglers Club of Ireland. The minnows are collected using traps in the rivers of Connemara. Probably using a Devon minnow would be equally effective.
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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by Pallenpool » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:22 pm

BreadFlake wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:38 pm
Pallenpool wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:30 pm
The same will also apply to worms - using a worm still opens one up for catching Perch & Chub in the main. As Shaun has pointed out Trout are an aggressive and not particularly fussy feeder - they take mostly any standard bait - the biggest issue with worms etc. is that you will invariably be faced with a deep hooked Trout when using them - which take it from me is not an enjoyable experience at all. If you want to fish in the closed season and catch yourself a Trout the best way is as Shaun mentions try a bit of fur and feather. You never know you may enjoy it thoroughly.
I'll be fishing the upper stretches of my local where Coarse fish are very sparse, if they're there at all. The deep hooking is quite an issue though, would larger worms prevent this? Also, maybe the use of prawns would be better?

I have always fancied having a go at fly fishing, but I have no gear, and no idea. Also, the river I'll be on is a borderline stream in some parts so casting a fly could be quite problematic.
Bait size and Trout in my experience is not an issue they will take it whatever size and aggressively. A river in it’s upper stretches can be deceiving I fish a chalk stream - predominantly Trout - however I do fish for the large Chub, Roach and Dace in season and some fine specimens are there to be taken but they are wholely different from fish in the lower stretches regarding there habits.
They tend to be more secretive certainly the larger Chub,
I have only ever seen a handful of them all around the 2 - 4lb mark but I do know there are are some fine specimens in its meandering Course.

Basically do not take for granted there are no Coarse fish - for instance a 7lb Chub was caught from a glide no more than a couple of feet deep a couple of years ago from the above.

Depending on where you live I am sure you will be able to locate a fly fishing tutor and will be surprised how quickly you pick it up. Equally someone on the forum may live near you and offer some tutorial - give it a try.

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Re: Minnow for trout

Post by BreadFlake » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:44 pm

Pallenpool wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:22 pm
BreadFlake wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:38 pm
Pallenpool wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:30 pm
The same will also apply to worms - using a worm still opens one up for catching Perch & Chub in the main. As Shaun has pointed out Trout are an aggressive and not particularly fussy feeder - they take mostly any standard bait - the biggest issue with worms etc. is that you will invariably be faced with a deep hooked Trout when using them - which take it from me is not an enjoyable experience at all. If you want to fish in the closed season and catch yourself a Trout the best way is as Shaun mentions try a bit of fur and feather. You never know you may enjoy it thoroughly.
I'll be fishing the upper stretches of my local where Coarse fish are very sparse, if they're there at all. The deep hooking is quite an issue though, would larger worms prevent this? Also, maybe the use of prawns would be better?

I have always fancied having a go at fly fishing, but I have no gear, and no idea. Also, the river I'll be on is a borderline stream in some parts so casting a fly could be quite problematic.
Bait size and Trout in my experience is not an issue they will take it whatever size and aggressively. A river in it’s upper stretches can be deceiving I fish a chalk stream - predominantly Trout - however I do fish for the large Chub, Roach and Dace in season and some fine specimens are there to be taken but they are wholely different from fish in the lower stretches regarding there habits.
They tend to be more secretive certainly the larger Chub,
I have only ever seen a handful of them all around the 2 - 4lb mark but I do know there are are some fine specimens in its meandering Course.

Basically do not take for granted there are no Coarse fish - for instance a 7lb Chub was caught from a glide no more than a couple of feet deep a couple of years ago from the above.

Depending on where you live I am sure you will be able to locate a fly fishing tutor and will be surprised how quickly you pick it up. Equally someone on the forum may live near you and offer some tutorial - give it a try.
I appreciate you educating me on this subject, as it's something I've never done before, and quite frankly wouldn't like to put a spawning coarse fish at danger due to my lack of knowledge. Maybe I shall start a separate thread on the fly fishing section regarding tackle, and what not as I haven't the slightest. I shall also take your advice regarding a forum member as well. Thank you.

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