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new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Chavender » Sat Oct 08, 2016 11:07 pm

I brought a 10ft 2 piece fly rod intending to use the top for a softer float top for my multi top roach special project ,all looked ok at first glance but..

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after removing the rings and whippings it become apparent there was a major flaw in the rod low down on the top section ,you could twist the blank quite bad .don't know what they'd done to it too cause the damage .so I've had to reject it as a top section for the other project ,that'll need another sourcing for it .now i'm stuck with a 10ft fly rod with damaged top ,now this rod owes me money so its not going too waste.

last year there was talk on here about a drop shot cane rod that intrigued me and stuck in my mind as a possible future project .well it occoured to me I have a suitable blank in this 10ft fly rod ,the action would be ok although the rod could loose a foot or two .which was perfect for this rod as the damage was at the bottom end of the tip section and could cut this out and move the ferrule forwards and I could cut the grip end of the bottom section off and after measuring the blank I could adjust both to 44" and keep the ferrule central creating a 7' 3" blank (44 X 2 =88" , divide by 12 to get new ft length =7.3333 7ft 3" ) a nice length for a drop shot rod ,the new butt will be stiffened by the new grip reel seat arrangement and the tip is soft enough to get jiggy with and sensitive enough too show bites .

I've a idea of the way I want the grip ,this isn't going too be a vintage rod but a retro one so i'll be mixing old and new ,old blank and new fittings / style .
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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Stuart Whiting » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:35 am

Oh mate gutting or what, and I was really hoping to see the end result of the roach rod :shocked:

Wouldn't really like to say about the drop shot rod being made up, I suppose the idea would work Steve but my only concern would be that the drop shot scene is probably the most modern and up to date form of fishing and don't know if split cane would fit the bill, shame really,

Be like trying to fit a bait runner to a Mitchell 300 which is obviously a no go :doh:

Me personally I'd try and find another spare top that fits the butt section and go back to plan A. Would then be just yer own customised roach rod :Hat:

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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by LuckyLuca » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:19 am

Carry on Steve I'd say. I built a light jigging/drop shot rod out of a couple of spare sections and am more than happy with the result.
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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Chavender » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:05 pm

well as a fly rod blank (#6) its action is soft/medium fast ,enough to impart the action too the lure and at 7ft long enough too absorb the pressure from bigger perch & small jacks ,and if its not sensitive enough it'll just be a light perch spinning rod is all
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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Stuart Whiting » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:36 pm

Chavender wrote:well as a fly rod blank (#6) its action is soft/medium fast ,enough to impart the action too the lure and at 7ft long enough too absorb the pressure from bigger perch & small jacks ,and if its not sensitive enough it'll just be a light perch spinning rod is all
Sounds fine Steve, if you think it'll work I'd perhaps go for it, it's just a shame you couldn't convert it someway or other as a nice roach rod :Hat:

Whatever the turn out may be I'm sure it'll be a good job :Thumb:

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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Chavender » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:03 pm

if the top section wasn't damaged it would of been great as a light float top as intended or with a new handle a nice 10ft float rod but with the damage being just above the ferrule there was only 48" salvageable .I suspect someone tried too twist the two stuck sections apart and damaged the fibres and decided too sell it on the bay too a unsuspecting buyer (no mention of damage in description) and no visible signs .

I know if I see another I won't hesitate to buy one ,its a scotty 10ft #6 two piece rod with quite a stiff action for a fly rod (not too whippy) .it won't be a ultra lite rod more a medium as I tied some line onto the tip and some link ledgers and gave it a jiggle ,its a rough test at this point un bult just the blank and ferrule ,but upto 5gr wasn't too impressive but 5gr + and it was good ,so once built i'll give it another test and determine its range .it will have been balanced then and have its rings on which will alter the action a bit .

it should be good as a medium action drop shot and light spinner rod for my mepps spinners and good perch rod .
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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Santiago » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:02 pm

Sounds like it will make a great light spinning rod. Drop shotting rods are quite specialist and technical, even sensitive c--------n light spinning rods make poor drop shotting rods, because such rods need an exceptionally soft tip. Such a tip is required to help keep the bottom weight from moving off the bottom as one jigs the rod. If said the tip is slightly too stiff the weight will move quite easily and one will lose direct contact and have to reel in, and reel in again and again. However, if one uses a heavier weight one might just get away with having to reel in so much to keep contact with the lure. Yet the point of drop shotting is finesse, which is somewhat lost when heavier weights are employed. Saying all that though, I prefer my version of drop shotting which involves slowly reeling in and feeling the weight bounce on the bottom, rather than just jigging with the weight on the bottom in one spot. I guess if you reel in slowly with a cane drop shotting rod it might just work. A great way to tell if your rod is suitable for drop shotting in this way is to simply cast out with your desired small weight attached, and reel in slowly once the weight hits bottom. If one can feel every little tap tap of the weight on the gravel through the rod, then you'll probably be able to use it for drop shotting. If not then I would suggest spinning or light ledgering.
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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Chavender » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:10 pm

The story so far...

ok so I brought a rod to use for a project that wasn't suitable due too the lower part of the top section badly prone too twisting ,as a previous owner must of damaged it freeing stuck joints or something.

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so not too waste it as the cane above this was good ,I decided to make the best use of what was salvageable ,a quick measure showed 48" of good can and as it was a two piece 10ft #6 rod

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the bottom section was good ,if I kept the ferrule as was on that and move the counter forwards on the shortened top I could create a spinning rod ,one suitable for drop shotting with & as light spinner .I already have a 9.3 and 8ft spinning rods and after measuring the rod I could get two 48" sections ,giving a eight foot rod .but I already have one at that length so a bit of calculating I could cut the rod into two 44" sections and get a 7.3" rod a nice length for a medium drop shot rod / light spinner.

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so out with the hacksaw and the blank was cut down too size

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now I have a 2piece 7.3" blank too play with ,I knew how i'd want it too look and it'd be a mix of old and new .the handle would be abbreviated rather than a single piece handle ,the real problem is the reel fitting ,now I've plenty of modern including a few screwdown types i'd want on such a rod but they're all black or grey plastic and wouldn't look right with cane

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I knew this is what I would aim for a Fuji vss seat with cork screw down cork shroud on the seat ,and it had too have chrome look a bit like this

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now as luck would have it I sort of had the parts in my spares ,i'd brought a couple of similar kits to use on carbon rods ,i'd used one on a older project ,and still had one left

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and with a hood off another reel seat ,I could make roughly the grip I want , like this (one I made up earlier) .dry fitted with my altex No1 fitted and some winding checks/collers to complete the look (wrong size but I've been onto H&H and ordered the right sized ones) ,a bit too trim on the rear grip too do .

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just two problems the hood I had had a eva cover ,basically the shroud is the foot shroud with a extended screw/tube behind it .mine had a chrome foot hood so that was good but the shroud needed recovering in a thin layer of cork ,ok tricky but doable. In the other cork bits of the kit was a rear fitting I could use but would remove the eva end of the rear cone/grip ,I should have a threaded end that'll fit and a suitable sized button.

the second problem is the Fuji VSS seat I had was black / dark grey and what i really wanted was a silver one ,ok not so easy peasy ,as they're hard too source in the uk ,so I ventured forth and found one in Taiwan ,ok on the well known auction site but supplied from Taiwan , So I've ordered one

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only drawback is it'll take a few weeks too get here ,so while I prepare the rod ,i'll use my black one for now ,when it does come I will have the hood done ready to replace its simple screw.i looked through my draw of cork handle / grips .I found a nice flared piece

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this however was a solid piece built onto a small brass tube ,that was going to need boring out ,but first that tube had too go ,pliers and a bit of humph and it was twisted out .

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I used a plastic tube to twist / cut into the cork using constant pressure it soon channelled out a rut

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every few millimetres or so i'd stop and use a thin driver to break the inner cork core towards the centre ,chipping away at it bit by bit ,layer by layer .

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until i'd got deep enough too ,slide the shrouds tube into it nice and snug .

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there where a few cracks too sort ,nothing a drop of superglue in them couldn't sort out ,it'll need a clean up and light sanding to finish the fit ,but looks good ,it will later have a shiny coller fitted too the front to top it off .

now when I was shifting through the cork grip draw ,I came across a wells cigar type fly grip .and I did concider using that ,with a little bit of this and that thrown on for good luck ,I fought it might look ok with a fixed bottom plate off a fly / salmon handle ,ok I had one handy a tad big but I can find another one better suited for the job .

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and add a upper sliding band to complete the reel fitting and maybe a little bit of bling on the tail end

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I'll keep this in reserve ,or if this build goes well I may look for a lighter action blank to build a ultra light drop shotting rod to fit it........
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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Chavender » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:51 pm

well its been a little while without much too show ,been waiting on parts ,I ordered a special metallic looking lockdown reel seat from Taiwan or someware out that way off e-bay that would take a while too arrive .and some rings ,the lightweight single leg stand off type for spinning rods silver framed to add too the retro look

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But the picture on the add didn't match the item ,& when the rings came but where titanium coloured not shiny silver as in the pictures

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So now i'm either going use these ok not as shiny as I wanted (might not be a bad thing ,less chance of reflecting sunlight and spooking the fish with their sparkle) or reorder some silver ones from guides n blanks (h&H) or go mad and order some airwave rings from the usa with silver frames

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they are pretty ,just expensive to order from the us as postage from the mudhole site is prohibitive to the uk .I like the built in choke ring on the butt guide .

So while I ponder becoming the lord og the rings and buying some fancy set of guides and awaiting the #1 choice of reel seat ,I decided too try something out as this is pretty much a prototype rod I decided i'll try to make my own metallic looking reel seat .I had a spinning rod handle kit with a screwdown seat but its black ,I grabbed all my modern similar seats too see which was best too use.

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and as it has a cork sleave too match I chose the Fuji (ok its a Chinese knock off) VSS type ,now I had some etch primer

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and some chrome spray paint ,it's not as reflective as on the can ,more a aluminium colour

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so I gave it a undercoat of etch primer ,left it a couple of days then a metallic coat again left that a few days to properly cure before I gave it a clear lacquer top coat .

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I just have too find the right position for good balance on the blank ,now in the mean time using the rear grip from the kit ,I removed the foam nose cone and I had in my spares a threaded internal butt cap (no outer cone) so I fiotted this too the end of my blank and added a thin cork ring to marry up the preformed cone and butt cap (i'll trim later too blend in) .now the cone is quite wide internally (it was ment for a carbon tube rod) compared too the cane blank which gave me room too hide a strip of lead flashing inside to add some counter balance weight too the rod .because the drop shot rods usually have shortend split grip handles for singlehanded casting and methodology a little extra weight is needed to balance the length of the blank as cane is heavier than carbon (even some carbon drop shot rods need the weighted rear grip to balance properly) and get it just so and the sensitivity of the tip is increased.So I had the rear butf fitted & done

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I prepared the blank too fit the reel seat & its preformed cork sleave ,this required arbors too be built up the blank too match the internal diameter of the seat and sleave, using the customary masking tape as its easy too achieve a tight fit .

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once a good fit is achieved you give them a liberal covering of strong epoxy

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which when set will harden sealing in the masking tape and firmley fixing in place the reel seat & rear sleave (i'm leaving its coller loose for now but it will get a under whipping later to match the rest of the rod before finally being glued downto mask the end of the sleave).my personal choice is araldite for metal ,as I find it sets harder and grips better for a stronger bond

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because of the difference between blank diameter and the seat /grip ,i'm using some alloy collers I have that'll hide things just need too build up with silver thread too make them fit and blend in ,the front will be masked via the screw down cone/shroud and its coller.

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the split grip handle is in place and just needs time too allow the glue too set ,its completed by the hood/shroud and will get a final clean up later

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as well as the araldite I also used super glue (other glues are available) on the corks mating surfaces (I just find it rather good for the job) although i'm careful to wipe away any excess as quick as I can but I did get some on the exposed blank between the grips .no great problem ,on my final clean up i'll warm it up with a flame from a lighter then scrape it off.

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just got too see which rings i'll finally fit ,either those low dazzle titanium ones or a new set .(i'll be following a ringing pattern off one of my carbon D/S rods) for now i'm waiting again ....
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Re: new project :retro drop shot rod

Post by Chavender » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:35 am

the other day the my Taiwan silver reel seat arrived

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but I was already well into making a different seat/grip for the drop shot rod under way ,and now I've two metallic reel seats and as the current projects black is more a medium action ,I've decided to use that rod as a protrotype and build a second lighter actioned rod (more the 3gr - 8gr range) and I've enough bits too use the other seat/grip made from a converted fly grip too maybe even make a ultra light drop shot rod but that's another story / project ,hey got too fill my time between processes ,too much waiting time too fill.

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I've decided too make a lighter rod and use the new seat on that ,so I compared it too others I have

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and its slimmer and smaller than the seat from the handle kit ,but its the same size as the carbon effect seat I have (I may of got this from the same place a couple of years ago when they was all the rage) umm I tried the preformed cork sleave from the kit for size

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doesn't fit ,not even close ,looks like i'll have too make one and a shroud too match ,so I found a old fly reel seat grip I can use .

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and using a spare shroud black (nicked from another modern seat) ,I again as I did in the medium rod project bore out some old cork rings too cover it but i'd run out of alloy collers too finish it .but by pure chance while at work I had too chuck some crap into the scrap bins and in there was a train control panel thingy totally beyond repair but it did have a black push (pull) operate/start button for whatever the board controlled ,so as you do I skip raided it and managed too force it off its spindle ,it had a domed top ,when I got it home ,it was a good tight fit ,so I removed the retaining grub screw .

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then I put it in my micro lathe and polished the dome top and widened the inner dia by drilling it out in three increments then a smoothing with fine wirewool

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and it was reading too glue onto the grip/seat to finish it off nicely.

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with the hood/shroud on it can be fitted either way around ,like this with the hood forwards
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like this with the grip forwards
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well at least I have the reel seat sorted ,just need a suitable cane blank and rear grip and rings and things and its all systems go ,well eventually.
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