Bit of help getting started

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Bit of help getting started

Post by Steve B » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:27 pm

Good Afternoon,
I am new to the forum and contemplating building a pair of cane avon rods.
I would be grateful if anyone based in the Herts, Beds or Bucks area and has experience of building cane rods, would be willing to meet up and give me a few pointers and pitfalls to start me on my way, and also the equipment i am likely to need.
I have purchased a couple of books i am working my way through, but mostly related to fly rods.
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Post by Tengisgol » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:22 pm

There is very little that you need to know about building rods that isn’t contained within these pages. The search facility is excellent. Having said that we do try and get together a bit here in Essex as well.
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https://sites.google.com/site/tengisgol/

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Re: Bit of help getting started

Post by Shed_Monkey » Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:59 pm

Welcome to the forum, from one Steve to another :Hat:

You will need to build or buy a set of adjustable planing forms which will allow you to produce the tapered 60° strips needed to make the hex section of a rod. The fly rod building books you have will contain the necessary information - the only real difference is the tapers used. Here is the information needed to build either wooden or metal forms...

http://www.bamboorodmaking.com/Articles ... Forms.html

http://www.thomaspenrose.com/form01.htm

As far as the other kit needed, there is a good list here
http://www.rodbuildingforum.com/index.p ... topic=7225

You will also need some way of baking/cooking your cane - there are a multitude of oven designs out there and it's up to you to decide on what suits your circumstances.
http://www.bamboorodmaking.com/Contrapt ... Ovens.html

I use a simple "pipe & torch" style of oven due to space constraints
http://www.bamboorodmaking.com/Tips-fil ... ating.html

These sources will give the general idea and get you started

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Re: Bit of help getting started

Post by Steve B » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:19 pm

Thanks for the replies, and also the links Steve, just was hoping to see someone else's setup & maybe get an idea of what i was letting myself in for....

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Post by Shed_Monkey » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:19 am

Steve B wrote:
Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:19 pm
Thanks for the replies, and also the links Steve, just was hoping to see someone else's setup & maybe get an idea of what i was letting myself in for....

Regards
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Okay, here's a few to give the idea...

These are a few of the tools I used to build my forms - I also used a pillar drill and lots of G-clamps as shown on the excellent Penrose instructions.
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These are the finished forms
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You take a culm and if necessary flame it for colour
Before...
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After...
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Then you split the culm and remove the internal dams
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Next you split this into smaller individual strips which are straightened and prepared for roughing out - the nodes must be dressed, heated ad pressed to align the fibres at this point in the strip.
A raw node...
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A prepped node...
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A finished node...
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Roughing gives the strips a 60° angle but no taper... this can be done with a wooden board and a groove or on a mill - I built a mill to save time.
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Roughed out strips are bound together and heated in an oven to temper the cane before being setting the taper on the planing forms - each roughed out strip is placed into the forms and the excess cane planed away leaving the tapered strip at the desired dimensions.
6 strips are needed for each section. It is important to check the angles on the strips as they are planed.
Setting the taper...
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Planing a strip
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The thin end of a tip strip ends up about as thick as the tip of a pencil
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Once the strips are planed to final dimensions they are laid out and glue spread on them - the are then bound with strong thread to hold them together. This can be done either by hand or using a binding device like this one...
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The bound sections are straightened as best you can before the glue sets and the sections are hung to dry
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Once everything is dried out and set up you clean the excess glue off - scrape/sand the enamel off and clean the blank ready for building up. After that you build up the cork handle and finish the rods as you desire. Here are a couple of recent builds - a Chapman 500 and 600.
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Hope this helps
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Steve

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Re: Bit of help getting started

Post by Steve B » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:29 pm

Wow Thanks Steve, appreciate that.

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Re: Bit of help getting started

Post by Steve B » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:48 pm

Afternoon All,

A couple of questions for you....
The square steel for the planing forms, is 3/4" the right size for course/carp fishing rods or does it need to be slightly larger.
Has anyone got any recommendations for the type of lathe that would be most useful.

Thanks

Steve B

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