Any Information on these Rods, Please?

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Banksy
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Any Information on these Rods, Please?

Post by Banksy » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:40 pm

I recently posted online, trying to help a chap who was wanting to mend a rod.
Tongue in cheek, I finished my post by saying that, if anyone had an old cane Hardy Roach rod or a B.James Avocet lurking in his shed, I was happy to give it a good home.

Yesterday I collected FOUR old cane rods from a gentleman who wanted them to be used. They had belonged to his grandfather.

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Now had chance to look these rods over properly.
I think all of them have lost an inch or so from the tips, apart from the obvious differences in section length, the second ring on the Hardy seems a bit too close to the tip.
But I particularly love the Hardy and “The Ace”, both are so light for cane rods, should be a joy to fish with.
Odd that the ACE has lost nearly all its rings, when the whippings and the cane are in such good condition? But I love the beautifully done splices on the middle and top joints.
I think Hopkins & Holloway (Guides ’n Blanks ) will be getting a bit of extra business soon.

All the rings on the Hardy are present, but are a bit corroded and rough. Not chromed, perhaps bronzed? Will try first to clean them up with wire wool.
The writing on the label is very thin and spidery - good sign or bad sign?

Rods numbered not as sequence in photo, just by how much I like them!
I think all have probably lost an inch or so off the tip at some stage?

Rod 1 (At left of photo)

Label:

Hardy Bros. Ltd
Maker
Alnwick
England
“The Match Roach Rod”

Whole cane butt 45”
Whole cane middle 45”
Whole / split cane tip 44”

Butt and tip rings white lining (ceramic?)
Other rings corroded. (Bronzed, not chromed?)
Ferrules tight & popping, rod straight.

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Rod 2 (At right of photo)

Label:
“Ace”
Featherweight

Whole cane butt, very small crack 54"
Whole & whole cane spliced middle 53”
Whole / split cane tip 52”

Butt and tip rings white centred, good, others
chromed rusty or missing.
Ferrules tight & popping, rod straight.

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Rod 3 (Second from left)
No label, slim whole cane butt and middle, nicely flamed. 45"
Greenheart top 44"

Butt and tip rings clear centres, perfect.
Other rings chromed High Bells, perfect, rod has been restored,
But really needs re-ringing to correct a slight set in the top joint?
Ferrules tight & popping.


Rod 4 (Third from left)

No label.
Whole cane butt 58”
Whole cane /Greenheart tip 58”, bad set.
Spare cane / Greenheart tip, top 4” broken off, but kept.

Butt ring and both tip rings white centres.
Ferrules tight & popping

I should be very grateful for any information about these rods, especially the possible age of the Hardy and "The Ace" ?

Any advice with possible restoration will be very welcome!

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Re: Any Information on these Rods, Please?

Post by CWK » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:55 pm

Wow , think you've hit the jackpot there , what a find , hope you bought the fella a bottle of malt ...

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Post by Banksy » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:35 pm

CWK wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:55 pm
Wow , think you've hit the jackpot there , what a find , hope you bought the fella a bottle of malt ...
I tried, but he flatly refused anything in return, apart from my assurance that the rods will be used, not posted on E seller!

As I said, a gentleman.
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Post by Wallys-Cast » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:26 pm

The actual cane sections should all be about the same length so I would say your rods are all full length. The ferruled parts are nearly always an inch or two longer than the tip.
Hardy rods usually do have the second ring quite close to the tip ring, it takes a lot of the stress away from the actual tip when casting. Your Hardy Match Roach rod is shown in my 1939 catalogue as available in two or three sections. The three section ones available in 11ft or 14ft versions. That's about the best I can find on it.
There is mention of the Match Roach rod being made from 1924 to 1953, this is on a page of information about Hardy rod names which came my way a few years ago but I'm not certain how accurate this is.

Wal.

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Post by Banksy » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:55 pm

Thank you Wal, your reply is much appreciated, as well as being reassuring!

I cannot find anything at all about the "Ace" on the internet.
It feels so good in the hand, I think that will be my first refurbishment project.
The whippings on the splices are so beautifully done, I am tempted to leave them as they are.
So I need to find a very close colour match, OR replace the ring whippings with a contrasting colour - burgundy red perhaps?

David.

PS - I HAVE found a reference to The Ace, and where else but on the TFF:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=20112&p=273426&hil ... od#p273426

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Post by Olly » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:30 pm

I have Turners Fishing Tackle book. Strangely is says - "Match Roach - split bamboo - 2 piece - 10ft 6in or 11ft - made 1924 to 1953".

This is not the first time the actual catalogue has differed with Turners!

So long it is a nice rod - who cares!!

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Post by Mick » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:32 pm

What a find David. That lot will keep you busy for the next few months! I'm not at all jealous! :mrgreen:

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Re: Any Information on these Rods, Please?

Post by Banksy » Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:00 pm

Banksy wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:55 pm
Thank you Wal, your reply is much appreciated, as well as being reassuring!

I cannot find anything at all about the "Ace" on the internet.
It feels so good in the hand, I think that will be my first refurbishment project.
The whippings on the splices are so beautifully done, I am tempted to leave them as they are.
So I need to find a very close colour match, OR replace the ring whippings with a contrasting colour - burgundy red like the inters, perhaps?

David.

PS - I HAVE found a reference to The Ace, and where else but on the TFF:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=20112&p=273426&hil ... od#p273426

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Re: Any Information on these Rods, Please?

Post by Dokterhoo » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:09 pm

Hi,
The info I have is;-

Match Roach, 3pce - butt Bamboo/middle Bamboo/tip Bamboo/Split Bamboo 11', 14', made 1924-1953
Match Roach, 2pce - butt Bamboo/ tip Bamboo/Split Bamboo 11' only, made 1924-1953.
The number on the butt cap would give the exact date of manufacture but it looks to be missing.

Hope this helps,
Dok

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Re: Any Information on these Rods, Please?

Post by Banksy » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:25 pm

Thanks Dok, much appreciated!

It's the 3 piece 11' version as decribed, and you are right about the butt cap, which is a pity.
Still that means that it probably predates my own manufacture and delivery, 1952.
And it's in better condition for its age.

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