Ideas needed for rod quiver

[The VFC]

Right chaps - after much hunitng I've finally managed to find someone who seems able to produce the kind of quality canvas work needed for us to commission some rod quivers/ bags from them. After some of the issues we had getting the float tubes right I thought I'd enlist your help in getting these right. So -

1) What sizes should we go for? I'm thinking that only coarse anglers will go for them perhaps? So how long/ wide should they be?
2) How to secure the top - fold over flap with attached cords to tie aroud?
3) Other cords further down to cinch around the rods?
4) Brolly pocket? - how deep?
5) Rod rest/ bank stick pockets?
6) Bottom - doubled canvas? Leather? Rivet in the bottom to facilitate air flow?
Colours - I'm thinking muted colours such as tan or khaki perhaps?

Any other ideas most gratefully recieved!

Thanks
Jim

[MGs]

Jim

This sounds like a great idea. My existing rod holdall (nasty modern blue thing) is on its last legs. A good sturdy canvas one
would be a nice addition.

From my perspective, a 6' holdall with a fold over top would be good. Better still if it is secured with ties. This would allow it to be reduced in size to the size of the rods, landing net, brolly being carried.
I'll take some measurements tomorrow for brolly and banksticks unless someone has them handy.
Tan or khaki would fit in nicely with the scheme.
Any idea of approximate cost? Presumably dependent on the number we order

[The VFC]

Hi MGs - many thanks for your interest, and in particular for pointing out that I had ommitted landing net in my calculations (says a lot about how much and the size of my catch!). Not sure on cost yet: I guess that I need to get prototype(s) made up and then look at what sort of order size might reduce the cost. Those delicate negotiations lie a little in the future!

For Traditional Fisherman's Forum members I'm sure we can do a special rate .... 10% more than for everyone else perhaps? (only joking - I think you'd come under teh category of "field tester" so would deserve a smidge off: the prototypes are bound to need a little tweaking).

Thanks again -and look forward to receiving your measurements (don't forget inside leg!).
Jim

[SeanM]

Jim, are you thinking of a quiver, ie something that would take a made up rod with a reel attached, or a rod holdall, ie something that is designed to take rods in their bags without reels attached?

If it's the former then have a look at the Drennan Super Specialist quiver, make the brolley pocket a little more roomy, and the pocket for the butts of the rods a little bigger and you've got a perfect quiver. Dump the velcro straps which hold the rods and replace them with either some strong webbing or a leather strap. Make the base out of leather and the rest from some stout canvass and you're about there.

If it's the latter then an improved copy of the old Stephens roll up hold all would be brilliant. Make it long enough to take a 6ft rod section (unless carbon rods are banned), a bigger brolley pocket and a decent sized bank stick pocket and Robert is your dad's brother.

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[MGs]

I have just braved the cold and nipped out to the garage with my tape measure.

My brolly is 54", the pocket it sits in is 6" wide but probably 8-9" of material stitched to the outside of the holdall, to account for the bulk

My longest standard rod rest is 34" (I have longer but carry them in the main part when I use them).

The holdall itself is about 10" across, so 20-22" of material. This size is big enough to carry my landing net and about 3 rods in tubes (not that I carry that many). This would be far bigger than the ones in use when I was a kid.

I guess the base will depend on the type of holdall which results. Double canvas for the open out type. I would prefer leather if it is the tube type, although I'm not overly bothered about this.

[The Tuesday Swim]

Jim, are you thinking of a quiver, ie something that would take a made up rod with a reel attached, or a rod holdall, ie something that is designed to take rods in their bags without reels attached?

If it's the former then have a look at the Drennan Super Specialist quiver, make the brolley pocket a little more roomy, and the pocket for the butts of the rods a little bigger and you've got a perfect quiver. Dump the velcro straps which hold the rods and replace them with either some strong webbing or a leather strap. Make the base out of leather and the rest from some stout canvass and you're about there.

If it's the latter then an improved copy of the old Stephens roll up hold all would be brilliant. Make it long enough to take a 6ft rod section (unless carbon rods are banned), a bigger brolley pocket and a decent sized bank stick pocket and Robert is your dad's brother.

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I always thought this was a nice design, banksticks, brollie etc go in the middle section and made up rods attach to the outside. Or bagged up rods simply sit in the middle, great for roving and cycling?

http://www.castaway-tackle.co.uk/1803/K ... uiver.html

[Champ]

I use Efgeeco canvas holdalls.Two types.The usual one with a main brolly pocket-zip top, two pockets on the outside which carry my landing net handle in the longer one and banksticks in the other.These have flaps with press studs.This one has a wooden length inside to keep it rigid.A shoulder strap and handle.The brolly pocket could be used to carry rods instead of the brolly.

The other type has a main pocket with loops on the outside.There are short pockets at the base.I carry a rod on the main pocket,bank sticks and net handle in the outside.There is no stiffener with this type.The holdall will in fact roll up.Its the nearest thing to a quiver that Efgeeco made i guess.Both types came in different lengths and with less pockets on the outside.

I have been wondering if it is feasible for anyone to reproduce these classic items of luggage.Steve Middleton of Traditional Angling Products had some pictures of some they were producing in thier adverts in old waterlogs if i remember correctly?.

The bait bucket made by the same company might be worth a look too.Simple design yet very functional .

[GloucesterOldSpot]

Jim, are you thinking of a quiver, ie something that would take a made up rod with a reel attached, or a rod holdall, ie something that is designed to take rods in their bags without reels attached?

If it's the former then have a look at the Drennan Super Specialist quiver, make the brolley pocket a little more roomy, and the pocket for the butts of the rods a little bigger and you've got a perfect quiver. Dump the velcro straps which hold the rods and replace them with either some strong webbing or a leather strap. Make the base out of leather and the rest from some stout canvass and you're about there.

If it's the latter then an improved copy of the old Stephens roll up hold all would be brilliant. Make it long enough to take a 6ft rod section (unless carbon rods are banned), a bigger brolley pocket and a decent sized bank stick pocket and Robert is your dad's brother.

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I agree entirely. The Drennan quiver does the job almost perfectly, but could be improved as suggested. Whilst you're at it, the position of the strap needs some thought to improve the balance, as I found mine tended to prefer the vertical to the horizontal, and kept trying to trip me up!

For holdalls you can't beat the old roll-up type. I have an old 'Roach' brand one which is much repaired, and which nowadays is used solely for transporting rods to tackle fairs. This is probably the simplest kind to manufacture too, as it's essentially a canvas sheet doubled over for three inches at one end, and sewn into pockets. Add some tie tabs midway up and a couple of pockets on the outside for net, rod rests etc, a spine of wood or bamboo to keep it rigid and a strap and you're done.

[The VFC]

Thanks Champ and GOS - I think we are going to try for a holder type to start with, probably not disimilar to the Efgeeco non-stiffened oned you describe Champ. Simplicity of design should hopefully keep production costs down - though after some initial conversations I think that it is touch and go whether or not one can be produced at a suitably low enough price point.

Canvas bait bucket is nice idea - do you happen to have any photos of one of these?

Thanks again
Jim

[Lucky Strike]

Hi, you may want to contact John Andrews. Probably the world's leading authority on Efgeeco and a splendid chap too http://andrewsofarcadia.com/