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Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:42 am
by Hovis
Rod this is SUPERB, what an amazing reference guide. Really appreciate the effort that's gone to produce this.

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:23 pm
by Wallys-Cast
Well done Rod, a really useful identification tool. Many thanks for the time and effort involved in making it.

Wal.

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:20 pm
by Banksy
That's superb, thanks for all your work on this.
The photographs alone are the stuff of dreams!

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:25 pm
by Wakou
This is an excellent thread/post thing, @Rod Fisher and must have taken a good deal of work and expertise! Thank you!

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:09 am
by Rod Fisher
Hovis wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:42 am Rod this is SUPERB, what an amazing reference guide. Really appreciate the effort that's gone to produce this.
Wallys-Cast wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:23 pm Well done Rod, a really useful identification tool. Many thanks for the time and effort involved in making it.

Wal.
Banksy wrote: Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:20 pm That's superb, thanks for all your work on this.
The photographs alone are the stuff of dreams!
Wakou wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:25 pm This is an excellent thread/post thing, @Rod Fisher and must have taken a good deal of work and expertise! Thank you!
Thank you gents. :Hat:

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:19 pm
by Olly
In my 1966 catalogue there is a C344 - Sea Aerial 4.5in - have I missed that in your excellent guide?

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:19 am
by Rod Fisher
Olly wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:19 pm In my 1966 catalogue there is a C344 - Sea Aerial 4.5in - have I missed that in your excellent guide?
Thanks for pointing that out. C344 is a 4½” Aerial made from "salt-resistant zinc-based alloy", listed in the 1965 and 1966 Guides. In the earlier Guides the same reel was given the catalogue number C815, so the reel appears to be indistinguishable from the ordinary 4½” C815 (i.e. it's the same reel). The description for the C815 in the spinning section explains: "the 4½” 'Aerial' is specially proofed against salt-corrosion and may therefore be used for sea fishing." Also, both 4½” reels are listed at the same price.

Similarly, the 1938 and 1939 Guides list a 7950S 4" "Allcock Aerial" Sea Reel (De luxe model), made of the special anti-corrosive alloy used for the "Allcock-Bell" reel, which Singleton dismisses as a black painted T10.

There are other issues.
  • In the Guides, the C815 is illustrated with an image of the 7950-T10 until 1955.
  • Singleton lists the 8902 Aerial Popular as being produced until 1962, but I haven't seen any evidence it was made after the war.

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:42 pm
by Olly
Very interesting! Neither included in the 1967 catalogue. So production ended then? Taken over by the 'New Match Aerial' in 1966 catalogue.

In the 1966 catalogue the 'Sea Aerial' C344 is in the 'Sea Reels' - it is also in the chapter "Anglers Guide to Tackle for Spinning" under 'Centre-pin & Level Wind Spinning Reels' section where it appears along with the 3.75in C342. And categorically states 'The 4.5in model only is protected against salt corrosion'.

At 4.5in now more applicable to barbel/trotting than ""casting sea leads up to 6oz"" - something I would not like to try! Seemingly a rare reel.

Thanks Rod Fisher for a big insight to Aerial reels!

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:32 pm
by Rod Fisher
Olly wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 1:42 pm Seemingly a rare reel.

Thanks Rod Fisher for a big insight to Aerial reels!
Not rare at all. Every 4½" C815 from about 1955 to 1966 was proofed against salt water corrosion. The introduction of the C344 designation was only a change in catalogue number, with no change in the reel, as far as I can tell.

Re: The Allcock Aerial Identification Tool

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:24 pm
by Olly
Well having only seen very few for sale on eBay in 20 years - I would class the 4.5in - whether proofed or not - as rare or rather unusual, certainly less availability than the 3.75in reels.

Thanks again for the info.